Everything Administration Said Has Come True

[The Finman]

<h2><font color=#003399>Everything Administration Said Has Come True</font></h2>
Folks, can I ask you a question?

We've now discovered cyanide and mustard gas in the Euphrates River.

We have discovered, in parts of the country, other serious stockpiles.

We have white powder that we're investigating.

Can it not be said that from the outset, everything the administration said about this has come true?

The only people who are not lying about things here are in the administration.

The discovery of cyanide and mustard gas in the Euphrates River has just lowered the heartbeats of Democrats some more.

As each of these bits of evidence is produced, their hearts sink.

Remember now, they have set themselves up to benefit from just the opposite here.

I'm not talking about you rank and filers out there in Naperville, Illinois, or anywhere else.

I'm talking about the leadership in Washington, the highly elected and serving Democrat officials.

Not you good American people out there who call yourselves Democrats and liberals.

I'm not accusing you of being sad that the American military is making tremendous progress, or that the administration's plan is working perfectly.

Of course, many in the media clearly aren't happy with the way this war has gone, and they are doing their best to spin the news against the administration, but again - thanks to the decision to embed reporters with the troops - the real story is getting out.


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(ABC: Mustard, cyanide said found in Euphrates: TV report)

Full Article <font color="red"><u>Here</u></font>

[cd]

Originally posted by The Finman:
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<h2><font color=#003399>Everything Administration Said Has Come True</font></h2>
Folks, can I ask you a question?

We've now discovered cyanide and mustard gas in the Euphrates River.

We have discovered, in parts of the country, other serious stockpiles.

We have white powder that we're investigating.

Can it not be said that from the outset, everything the administration said about this has come true?

The only people who are not lying about things here are in the administration.

The discovery of cyanide and mustard gas in the Euphrates River has just lowered the heartbeats of Democrats some more.

As each of these bits of evidence is produced, their hearts sink.

Remember now, they have set themselves up to benefit from just the opposite here.

I'm not talking about you rank and filers out there in Naperville, Illinois, or anywhere else.

I'm talking about the leadership in Washington, the highly elected and serving Democrat officials.

Not you good American people out there who call yourselves Democrats and liberals.

I'm not accusing you of being sad that the American military is making tremendous progress, or that the administration's plan is working perfectly.

Of course, many in the media clearly aren't happy with the way this war has gone, and they are doing their best to spin the news against the administration, but again - thanks to the decision to embed reporters with the troops - the real story is getting out.


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<font color=#003399>Read the Articles...</font>

(ABC: Mustard, cyanide said found in Euphrates: TV report)

Full Article <font color="red"><u>Here</u></font>

</font>[/quote]Let me make it clear from post one that I am anti-war.

What a load of crap. The white powder found was proven not to be a chemical weapon by the US army themselves. The stuff found in the river has not been confirmed by a source that can be called neutral. The US has invaded Iraq without the faintest evidence and they(and not Iraq) have violated 1441. No evidence has been found of Biological or Chemical weapons in Iraq to date and the US has continued to murder Iraqi civilians in their pursuit of one resource - OIL.

[The Finman]

Welcome cd

I've read your leftist positions over on RedCafe.net.

Generally we try and keep Left vs. Right debates confined to the "Liberalism vs. Conservativism Forum, because other wise the other forums often tend to explode causing disruption.

Your welcome to debate anything thing here and if you see something posted outside of that forum you are welcome to copy the either the whole post or just the points that you want to debate over to that forum.

Now then, I will make an exception this time because you were aware of this.

Now then I and 79% of the rest Americans believe that Secretary Powell laid out a "clear and convincing case" against Iraq and yes Iraq was in complete violation of resolution 1441 and to state other wise is to be either very naive or willfully ignorant.

I personally don't care if Saddam still has WMD's or not, the horrors that I've seen so far (Fayadeen, torture chambers in hospitals, the Opression, the bizzare morgues, Etc) are more than enough to justify this war in my mind as well as the vast majority (81%) of Americans minds as well.

We have found mustard gas and cyanide (it's now been confirmed) along the Euphrates river as well as ricin and botulisn (Positive test for terror toxins in Iraq) up in Northern Iraq...now that said I don't think we are going to uncover the SERIOUS stuff until we have seized control of Baghdad and completey removed the regime.

Now as to your other incorrect point you have stated and since you seem to have a rather skewed and incorrect interpretation (not sure what kind of information your getting in South Africa) facts in which you formed your opinions...so let me give you some links from both left and right leaning news sites as well neutral sites so that you can broaden your horizons.

U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell Addresses the U.N. Security Council

(BBCNews: Iraq's tortured children)

(PBS.org: Highly secret terrorist training camp at Salman Pak)

(NY Times: Defectors Cite Iraqi Training For Terrorism - 11.12.01)

(UK Guardian: The Iraqi connection - 11.11.01)

(The New York Sun: September 11 and Iraq)

“In 1991 Saddam killed 500,000 people when they rose against him. Nobody demonstrated against him then. But now the United States wants to get rid of the dictator, people are demonstrating against it.”
-one of the Iraqi liberation soldiers the U.S. is training at "Camp Freedom" in Hungary

(UK Telegraph: Saddam 'killed missile chief' to thwart UN team)

(The Los Angeles Times: Protesters With Bloody Hands -Max Boot)

(Reuters: Blix - Iraq Banned Weapons Unaccounted For)

(Human Rights Watch: Iraq's Crime of Genocide: the Anfal Campaign Against the Kurds)

(Amnesty International: Iraq: Systematic Torture of Political Prisoners)

(New York Times: How Many People Has Hussein Killed?)

(NY Times: War for Peace? It Worked in My Country -Nobel Laureate José Ramos-Horta)

(Colin Powell's Special Section - "Iraq: Failing To Disarm" -audio, video, text)

"The Iraqi regime and its weapons of mass destruction represent a clear threat to world security. This danger has been explicitly recognized by the U.N."
-Letter by Eight European leaders in support of the United States

(New Zealand Herald: "Evidence of an Iraqi Official Acting as a 'Professional Rapist'")

(CAABU: Pro-war letter to Tony Blair from Iraqi Exiles in UK)

(ABCNews: Is Odai Hussein More Brutal Than His Father?)

(WSJ: Eight European Leaders Stand With Bush)

(Washington Post: Now, It's Business That Booms in Afghanistan)

(UK Guardian: Ten More European Nations Back US on Iraq)

"If we do not act, if we do not stand up to Saddam, that will encourage him to commit other atrocities."
- Prime Minister Jean Chretien of Canada (February 19,1998)

"stressed the extremely grave risks that will result from a refusal by Iraq to accept the inspection of the presidential sites. Now, time is running out.
[i]- French president Jacques Chirac (1998)/I]

"Iraq should stop refusing to cooperate, and if all the political efforts that are being made do not result in success, a military operation cannot and should not be ruled out in this case."
Rudolph Sharping, chairman of the Bundestag group (1998)

(Center for Non-Proliferation Studies: WMDs in Iraq)

(Washington Post: UNSCOM Tracks Terror Weapons)

(Washington Post: The Unconventional Arsenal)

(Palestine Chronicle: U.S. to Have Access to 21 Countries in Iraq War)

(Washington Times: Iraqi Scientist Says Materials for Nuclear Bombs in Hand)

(UK Times: 14 Years of Torture and Humiliation in Saddam's Jail)

"At the end of all of the academic arguments is whether we are willing to pay the price to bring freedom to the people of Iraq. If we are, we will not regret it."
- Vietnam veteran and former Democratic Senator Bob Kerrey

(MSNBC: Banging the War Drums Slowly -Christopher Hitchens)

(CNN: Experts: Iraq has Tons of Chemical Weapons)

(Finish the War. Liberate Iraq -former Democrat Senator Bob Kerrey)

(UK Telegraph: UN Inspectors Uncover Proof of Saddam's Nuclear Bomb Plans)

(Reuters: Iraq Scientist Says Saddam Hiding Arms Underground)

(UK Times: Exiles Prepare for a Happy Return at Camp Freedom)

"The last thing we want to see is a smoking gun. A gun smokes after it's been fired…. If someone waits for a smoking gun, it's certain we will have waited too long."
- Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld

(ThisIsLondon: New Saddam Torture Dossier Unveiled)

(GlobalSecurity.org: Tuwaitha Nuclear Center)

(New York Post: Iraq Nuke Sites Up & Atom Again)

(Scripps Howard News Service: Protestors Deny Peace a Chance)

(GlobalSecurity.org: H-3 Airfield)

"We are praying you will stick to your resolve to liberate our country from a dictatorial tyranny over 30 years which has caused the deaths of nearly 2 million men and women, sons and daughters."
- Letter to UK Prime Minister Tony Blair from Iraqi Exiles

(U.S. State Dept: Iraq Weapons of Mass Destruction Programs)

(U.S. Senate: Testimony on emerging Threats & Capabilities)

(U.K. Ministry of Defence: Iraq's Weapons of Mass Destruction)

(Foreign Affairs: The Greatest Threat -Richard Butler)

(Washington Times: Iraq Seeks Steel for Nukes)

(Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights & Labor: Iraq: A Population Silenced)
(UK Times: Liberal MP Backs War After Meeting Saddam Torture Victims)

"Of course they have no credibility. If they had any, they certainly lost it in 1991. I don't see that they have acquired any credibility."
-Chief U.N. Weapons Inspector Hans Blix, on the Saddam regime

(UK Telegraph: Saddam Killed Abu Nidal Over Al-Qaeda Row)

(UK Guardian: The Iraqi Connection to Al-Qaeda)

(Jane's: Abu Nidal Murder Trail Leads Directly to Iraqi Regime)

(Brain-Terminal.com: MOS at the New York City Peace Protests)

(MidEast Review of Int'l Affairs: Iraq's WMDs & the '97 Gulf Crisis)

"If Saddam Hussein fails to comply and we fail to act or we take some ambiguous third route, which gives him yet more opportunities to develop his program of weapons of mass destruction and continue to press for the release of sanctions and ignore the commitments he's made? Well, he will conclude that the international community's lost its will. He will then conclude that he can go right on doing more to build an arsenal of devastating destruction. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow. The stakes could not be higher. Some way, someday, I guarantee you he'll use the arsenal."
- Bill Clinton in 1998

(Amir Taheri: Anti-War or Anti-US?)

(Reuters: Report: Saddam Authorized Use of Bio-Chemical Weapons if Attacked)

(The Scotsman: France & Russia Make Money Out of Immoral Peace)

(StratFor.com: The Chirac-Hussein Connection)

(Associated Press: Non-Aligned Summit Backs Iraq Disarmament)

(New Republic: Dispatch - Food Fight)

“I am surprised to hear of all the anti-war demonstrations in the West. I wish that the demonstrators could spend just 24 hours in the place I have come from and see the reality of Iraq. Fourteen lost years of my life. Nothing but bread for food — darkness, filth, beatings, torture, killings, bitterness and humiliation.”
-Rafat Abdulmajeed Muhammad, jailed for selling a roll of film to an British journalist

(Daily Telegraph: The Iraqi People Want to Know When Bush Will Get Tough)

(New Republic: Will Saddam's Troops Fight?)

(Center for Strategic and International Studies: WMDs in Iraq)

(Washington Post: Germany's Mr. Tough Guy -Michael Kelly)

(Washington Post: French Oil Firm Sees Future in Iraq)

"Iraq under Saddam’s regime has become a land of hopelessness, sadness, and fear. A country where people are ethnically cleansed; prisoners are tortured in more than 300 prisons in Iraq. Rape is systematic . . . congenital malformation, birth defects, infertility, cancer, and various disorders are the results of Saddam’s gassing of his own people. . . the killing and torturing of husbands in front of their wives and children . . . Iraq under Saddam has become a hell and a museum of crimes."
–Iraqi Safia Al Souhail, Advocacy Director of the International Alliance for Justice

(White House.gov: A Decade of Deception and Defiance)

(Osama bin Laden's Letter to America -11.24.02)

(Detroit News: Anti-war Protests Anger U.S. Troops Inside Kuwait)

(BBC News: Exiles' "Liberate Iraq" Plea)


(BBC News: Iraq Exiles Back Blair's Stance)

(NRO: Why Won’t Anti-war Types Listen to Iraqis? - Amir Taheri)

I'm going to let you continue posting in this thread since you didn't know any better, but in the future if you see something like this posty that you want to chime in on please feel free to copy it and post it in the "Liberalism Vs. Conservatism Forum". [img]smile.gif[/img]

Anyway, welcome. [img]smile.gif[/img]