the economy

Mr. Right · #1 03-12-2004, 08:27 PM

From where I stand the economy appears to be in shambles. Are things going according to plan? Are the tax cuts working? What's the defense of Bush's policies? More time?

45semi · #2 03-12-2004, 08:49 PM

Are you on welfare/govt. assistance ?
Do you miss many meals?
Do you have a TV?
A car ?
A roof over your head?
The odd bit of cash to spend?

Maybe you should go live in a third world country for a year or so...
It might give you an appreciation for what you do posess,
& what you dont have to go without.

Not to mention that you will see how a large portion of the worlds population lives.

Then maybe you will appreciate things for their actual worth,
and have some insight as to whats really worth complaining about.

Mr. Right · #3 03-12-2004, 08:51 PM

I didn't think I was complaining, 45semi.

But am I to take it that in your opinion the economy here is fine, or that we should wait until it's the worst in the world before asking questions?

curious · #4 03-12-2004, 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 45semi:
Are you on welfare/govt. assistance ?
Do you miss many meals?
Do you have a TV?
A car ?
A roof over your head?
The odd bit of cash to spend?

Maybe you should go live in a third world country for a year or so...
It might give you an appreciation for what you do posess,
& what you dont have to go without.

Not to mention that you will see how a large portion of the worlds population lives.

Then maybe you will appreciate things for their actual worth,
and have some insight as to whats really worth complaining about.

So is that how we discuss economic progress and health these days?

The "be glad you're not living in the Third World, and don't ask questions" strategy?

My mother used to use the same line when one of us would complain. It's fine comong out of a parent to a kid, but one would hope for a somewhat more thoughtful approach among adults.

sju_pol16 · #5 03-12-2004, 09:26 PM

I do believe that our economy is currently growing faster than any in the developed world. Is that a good measure?

Mr. Right · #6 03-12-2004, 09:59 PM

I can't honestly believe the conservative position is "everything's fine". Not even Bush thinks so! Give me a break, and not on my taxes...

JohnnyYuma · #7 03-12-2004, 10:53 PM

why don't you pay my taxes , too ..I want to keep my own money .....

TXNavy · #8 03-12-2004, 11:13 PM

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Originally posted by Mr. Right:
I can't honestly believe the conservative position is "everything's fine". Not even Bush thinks so! Give me a break, and not on my taxes...

Its not - but its not as bad as certain liberals make it. The economy and life in this nation is improving, despite the best efforts of the liberals. Even the environment is getting better, and we didn't have to chuck out everything modern to get there. Most left wing messages just don't work unless there's a "crisis." We need more money for the poor! Well, no, they're getting a gazillion dollars already, thanks. But the DoD never needs to run a bake sale and *sniff* education could be improved! Defense isn't what we spend the most money on by far, and our education budget is astronomical.

I just don't believe in the crisis. It does not exist. The conservative viewpoint is one oriented towards the long term and the permanent solution to an individual's economic condition. The liberal standpoint delivers temporary assistance and addicts them to what FDR (yes, FDR) calls "The narcotic of welfare." Without the crisis viewpoint, its very hard to sell liberalism.

Giving you a break on your taxes is a long term solution to government tax revenues. It is much more direct and effective than keeping your taxes and spending it for you. Whether you (or a rich person) invests it or spends it, it'll be used to a much better effect than spending it through the government, where there's more than a little overhead.

TXNavy · #9 03-12-2004, 11:18 PM

Oh yeah, and Mr. Right, look up the S&P 500 or any other industrial index and tell me the economy is in "shambles." I'm interested to know exactly what your idea of "shambles" is

It appears that its simply "The DNC calls it a jobless recovery, and even though the economy must recover before we begin increasing employment, its, uh, not getting better because of unemployment numbers!"

All of my stocks and indexes are up. How are yours? I'd say the economy is running swell. Oh, and factories are more productive today than any time in the last two decades.

45semi · #10 03-12-2004, 11:22 PM

Quote:

So is that how we discuss economic progress and health these days?

The "be glad you're not living in the Third World, and don't ask questions" strategy?

My mother used to use the same line when one of us would complain. It's fine comong out of a parent to a kid, but one would hope for a somewhat more thoughtful approach among adults.

Mistake me for childish if you please, its your prerogative.
I dont pretend to know it all, but I know a cheap shot when I see one.
And, should we go broadsides on an issue I care enough to know much about,
Curious, I think you will know you have been in a debate with an adult...

Now, consider the abrupt wording and somewhat hysterical tone...

Quote:

From where I stand the economy appears to be in shambles. Are things going according to plan? Are the tax cuts working? What's the defense of Bush's policies? More time?

Now consider the reply:

Quote:

I didn't think I was complaining, 45semi.
But am I to take it that in your opinion the economy here is fine, or that we should wait until it's the worst in the world before asking questions?

Now, if you choose to ask meaningful questions, with a somewhat more defined scope,
instead of a generality that is obviously intended as a rebuke towards Bush's performance.
Ask a question, by all means...
Dont post crap obviously and solely intended to disparage a President you dont care for.

Point out some SPECIFIC EXAMPLES !