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Old 06-10-2004, 01:38 AM
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They're baaaaaaack!

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The number of homeless people in the Washington region rose for a fourth straight year, but many are now finding their way to programs that can help address their problems, according to results of an annual count released yesterday.
Washington Post

I'm just waiting for the Dems to push this one on Bush.
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They're baaaaaaack!

</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr /> The number of homeless people in the Washington region rose for a fourth straight year, but many are now finding their way to programs that can help address their problems, according to results of an annual count released yesterday.
Washington Post

I'm just waiting for the Dems to push this one on Bush.
</font>[/quote]What, the fact that many of them are finding their ways to programmes that can help or the fact that they are rising. I don't know about you but a President of the country i'm somewhat inclined to believe he should at some level be considered "responsible" for both sides of that coin. He's not responsible just for the success stories.
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Old 06-10-2004, 09:34 AM
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Interesting that you couldn't find much news about the homeless during the Clinton administration, especially when you consider the fact that he did absolutely nothing. Zip, Zero, Nada.

And so, here we are in an election year and "POOF"! Someone remembers that we have a homeless problem. Don't you find it curious that the writer refers to the "last 4 years"?

In this day and age, the President is not responsible for the Homeless. I don't care if Clinton or Bush is President at that time. For the most part, the only one responsible for the homeless are the homeless. Ask Star Parker. She can tell you all about it first hand.

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Interesting that you couldn't find much news about the homeless during the Clinton administration, especially when you consider the fact that he did absolutely nothing. Zip, Zero, Nada.

And so, here we are in an election year and "POOF"! Someone remembers that we have a homeless problem. Don't you find it curious that the writer refers to the "last 4 years"?

In this day and age, the President is not responsible for the Homeless. I don't care if Clinton or Bush is President at that time. For the most part, the only one responsible for the homeless are the homeless. Ask Star Parker. She can tell you all about it first hand.
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I'll boil it down, you're whining that someone should complain about something that might make "your president" look bad because he's not doing lots about it. Your last part makes it obvious that in reality you really don't care about the homeless and thus that should be your answer.
Say, "It's their own fault, not the Pres." rather than complaining that someone wrote about it.

Seriously, i don't understand why the hell people can't answer the questions without pointing fingers at others. I thought that was left in the school playground.
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I'll boil it down, you're whining that someone should complain about something that might make "your president" look bad because he's not doing lots about it.
Whining? No.
Making an observation and pointing it out? Yes.

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Your last part makes it obvious that in reality you really don't care about the homeless and thus that should be your answer.
Say, "It's their own fault, not the Pres." rather than complaining that someone wrote about it.
Except for one thing. If you knew anything about Star Parker and what she has had to say, you'd know that she would say that I was right.

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Seriously, i don't understand why the hell people can't answer the questions without pointing fingers at others. I thought that was left in the school playground.
What are you still doing in the school playground?
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Interesting that you couldn't find much news about the homeless during the Clinton administration, especially when you consider the fact that he did absolutely nothing. Zip, Zero, Nada.

And so, here we are in an election year and "POOF"! Someone remembers that we have a homeless problem. Don't you find it curious that the writer refers to the "last 4 years"?

In this day and age, the President is not responsible for the Homeless. I don't care if Clinton or Bush is President at that time. For the most part, the only one responsible for the homeless are the homeless. Ask Star Parker. She can tell you all about it first hand.

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Why do I have the feeling that if this article had been about a decline in homelessness in the last four years, you would be trumpeting it is as proof that Bush's policies are making America a better place?

Homelessness is not a simple issue. It's not only a matter of "bleeding heart liberals" but also relates to otehr issues, such as economic disparities, wages, the "gentrification" of communitiues and the effect on housing prices, etc.

In addition to the down-and-out wino or the lazy "homeles by choice" the homeless ALSO includes many hardworking individuals and families who are driven out of their homes by unemployment, underemployment, growing income gaps that lead to upward pressure on housing prices in neighborhoods and communities, etc.

Simplistic bombast and homilies like "the homeless are responsible for their plight" is ignoring reality and missing the point.
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I'll boil it down, you're whining that someone should complain about something that might make "your president" look bad because he's not doing lots about it. Your last part makes it obvious that in reality you really don't care about the homeless and thus that should be your answer.
Say, "It's their own fault, not the Pres." rather than complaining that someone wrote about it.

Seriously, i don't understand why the hell people can't answer the questions without pointing fingers at others. I thought that was left in the school playground.
I am glad to see that you acknowledge that this is something that may make my President look bad. That is the only reason why it is being reported now and was never once mentioned the entire time ARAIPOTUS was in office.

This is nothing more than a cheap political hack job trying to place blame for someone else’s problem at Bush’s feet. But understanding that would require accepting and understanding personal responsibility – something Europe is woefully inept at.

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Why do I have the feeling that if this article had been about a decline in homelessness in the last four years, you would be trumpeting it is as proof that Bush's policies are making America a better place?
You assume that someone would have published such an article in the first place. Its interesting to note, the writer doesn't say who's policies he's talking about.


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Homelessness is not a simple issue. It's nbot only a matter of "bleeding heart liberals" but also relates to otehr issues, such as economic disparities, wages, the "gentrification" of communitiues and the effect on housing prices, etc.

Simplistic bombast and himilies like "the homeless are responsible for their plight" is ignoring reality and missing the point.
Really? That isn't what a former homeless person has said.

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In addition to the down-and-out wino or the "homeles by choice" the homeless ALSO includes many homeless hardworking individuals and families who are drivern out of their homes by unemployment, underemployment, growing income gaps that lead to upward pressure on housing prices in neighborhoods and communities, etc.
No. The vast majority of the homeless are where they are by the choices they've made.
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This is nothing more than a cheap political hack job trying to place blame for someone else’s problem at Bush’s feet. But understanding that would require accepting and understanding personal responsibility – something Europe is woefully inept at.
And yet those from Europe have the audacity to lecture us. Amazing.
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The funny thing to me is that, all things being equal, the European middle-class is comparable to our "Working Poor" here in the US. Maybe they should consider cleaning up their own backyard first.
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